Wednesday, January 17, 2007

Is halal meat sacrificed to idols?

Deuteronomy 32:16-42

This section deals with how G*D will punish those who disobey and turn to idols. Let this be a beginning of wisdom in dealing with mohammadins. They say that they worship the G*D of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but everything about it is based on idolatry.

It goes back to Babylon and the worship of Tammuz the son of Semirameses, the wife of Nimrod. In Genesis, G*D destroys Babylon and scatters the people and divides the languages because they obeyed Nimrod in rebellion against G*D! Tammuz became the moon god of many nations; he was often depicted as a baby in the arms of his mother. The origin of the "Madonna and Child", which was applied to Christ and Mary. This is the depiction that was in the Ka'aaba in Mecca. It was the ONLY idol not destroyed by Mohammad and his fighters; why? Because it was an idol of Mohammad's tribe! So the worship of al'a'alah goes back to Babylon, not Abraham!

So the contention that they are the same is an affront to the G*D of Heaven. They are idolaters!

Romans 10:18-22, Leviticus 3:3, 7:6-15 shows that those who eat of a sacrifice are partakers in it. So the eating of meat, whether sacrificed to idols or to G*D, makes you a partaker of whom the sacrifice was made! Not only that, in I Corinthians 10:20 we are told that idols are actually demons. So it logically follows that if an eater is considered an active participant, and the sacrifice is NOT to G*D, you are associating with demons! II Chronicles 34:24-25 gives G*D's response to participation in idolatry. Let us flee that which displeases HIM!

Now, is halal meat, meat sacrificed to idols?

Consider the "blessing" spoken over the animal whose throat is being slit: "Bismillahi, Allahu Akbar" (in the name of god, and god is the greatest) while the animal's head faces Mecca. Is this not the essence of a sacrifice? Is this not dedicating the animal to a'al'alah?

Why are we encouraging animal sacrifice in our country? Was not Santeria* proscribed due to the cruel methods of sacrifice? Slitting an animal's throat is a cruel death. This should be agitating the animal rights people; where are they? Killing animals according to kosher methods are much more humane, the animals are killed first then the carcass hung to drain the blood, not left to bleed out!

This is America, why are we allowing a minority to dictate how we eat? Or why are they here if they "miss" their own backward ways? Is this not the essence of invasion?

I choose the the path of NOT eating things sacrificed to idols, not because I am legalistic, BUT because I want to be on the Lord's Side. I do not draw a line in shifting sand, but take my place behind the Line drawn in the Rock of my Salvation. Idols are as nothing, but the demons and doctrines behind those idols cause me to eschew the meat. Sides are being drawn up; I have chosen my side; HAVE YOU?

*For those who are not living in the state of Florida, and may not be acquainted with Santeria, it is a mixture of Roman Catholicism and Afro-Caribbean
demon worship. It was outlawed in Florida due to the extreme cruelty of the sacrificial practices. Which included; tightly tying the feet of a chicken together tightly and then slitting it's throat and letting it flap along in it's death throes. Halal meat is not necessarily tied, but the throat is slit from side to side and the animal dies of pain and blood loss. Not a humane death.

56 comments:

nanc said...

wasn't bathsheba's husband's name uriah?

regardless, there is NO depth to which we fall that the long arm of the Lord cannot scoop us out of - AND forget all about the incident.

The Merry Widow said...

And posts a "NO FISHING" sign, to keep us and others from dragging the dead thing back out and rolling in it!

tmw

nanc said...

oops! that was meant for rob's post - how'd it get here?

now i have some re-posting to do.

The Merry Widow said...

Too many windows?

tmw

nanc said...

perhaps.

and i was going to say here, someone needs to send this post to peta AND mcdonalds!

Debbie said...

Excellent article. I knew you would do it proud. Interesting bringing up Santeria. I didn't even think of that.

The problem may be that we won't actually know what restaurants are using halal meats. I guess what we don't know won't hurt us applies, but given a choice, I will stay away from restaurants that even offer halal meat.

We never eat at McDonalds anyway. But I see more restaurants catering to the Muslims as time goes on.

Great job.

Debbie said...

Great post. I tried commenting earlier, but blogger was not cooperating.

I knew you would do a great job. I'm wondering if restaurants who serve this meat will be required to inform it's customers. Personally we never eat at McDonalds any more, but there are certainly classier restaurants who are serving the meat now, and this will increase with time.

If we don't know what we are eating, that's one thing. I think this needs to be posted everywhere.

Great job!

The Merry Widow said...

Thanks, Debbie! It was an itch waitting to be scratched. To show you how G*D provided the itch, Santeria was HIS Idea to include! I didn't even think of it until I hit the method of sacrifice!
I hope you can use it!
And you are right, if we don't know, but I'll start asking, most of the mohammadins beachside have either moved to the enclave in south Melbourne, or shop there so that I don't see them in stores very often, especially since they now have a halal market over there. I'm wondering if 12 miles is far enough away?
Nanc-Go for it!

tmw

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The last 2 deletes were actually me getting impatient with blogger, cause it looked like nothing posted! And since I figured nobody wanted to read the same thing 3 times...
Your patience is appreciated!

tmw

Eyes said...

Ghandi once said that you can judge a society by the way they treat their animals.... Looks like the muslims err on the side of barbarity again...

Hey, when are you going to switch to new blogger? It's super easy and fast. You just use your email address for the google username (real or imagined), then enter a password. It does it in a couple minutes:>)

The Merry Widow said...

Not until I'm forced!
And yes, a society that does what it does to animals...don't get me started...
At least here in America, the slaughter houses knocks out the animal befor killing it!
And as I said, kosher is humane also...
mohammadins have a very serious spiritual problem that translates into viciousness and cruelty in other segments of society!

tmw

nanc said...

perhaps the way they treat their meat is in direct proportion to their attitudes?

they say to not feed your stock animals (and poultry) meat as it tends to make them mad - could be something to it after all.

The Merry Widow said...

Mad cow anyway. Wonder if there is an analogous condition amongst mohammadins?

tmw

Mark said...

mohammadins have a very serious spiritual problem that translates into viciousness and cruelty in other segments of society!

bingo! I am glad this meat is unheard of (I guess) in my neck of the woods. Thanks for bringing it to our attention tmw! My eyes have been opened.

The Merry Widow said...

Your welcome, Mark! That's why I posted on it, Debbie of Right Truth(she lives near a very large enclave) asked me to post on the subject, it's being snuck into schools and restaurants under people's innocent noses, which I find manipulative and dishonest!
I HATE THE LIE!

tmw

Debbie said...

I included this in a post on political correctness, multiculturalism and illegal immigration.

http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2007/01/political_corre.html

Thanks again and a really great job you did.

Debbie
Right Truth

The Merry Widow said...

You are welcome!

tmw

nanc said...

i'm studying sitemeters again...don't mind me...

Brooke said...

Fantastic, fantastic post, TMW!!!

Halal is a cruel practice in and of itself, to say nothing of its spiritual implications.

When did McD's start offering halal? I won't be eating there anymore! I'm also going to shoot them a email!

Eyes: Blogger STILL won't let me switch.

nanc said...

brooke - go see debbie's post at right truth and see all the other restaurants who are serving halal and see what they have to say to those of us who disapprove of it!

The Merry Widow said...

Brooke-Debbie of Right Truth asked me to do this, she lives near an enclave of mohammadins and the mickeyd's there switched to halal. There is a Subway in NJ and also an Outback Steakhouse that offers halal lamb.
Some British public schools serve it, and never informed the parents of the non-mohammadin students! If they went kosher it would be a different matter.
And mohammadins can eat kosher!

tmw

Always On Watch Two said...
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Always On Watch Two said...

TMW,
Outstanding post! You had me digging through the Word to look at those commands He gave.

You know, until I started doing research on Islam, I thought that the days of idolatry were over--except perhaps in primitive societies whose governments did not exert influence over world power. Was I ever wrong!

In the Word, He has told us that He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Therefore, partaking of halal meat must be an abomination to Him. But what if the partaker is totally unaware? Is the partaking still an abomination?

And what of those who cover up the details as to what constitutes an abomination?

Just a few questions in my mind right now.

I found the following at Wiki:

Tammuz is a domestically produced missile that was made when Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq. It is a Cruise Missile with a reported range of up to 2,000 km, but little is known about it.

Hmmmm....

When he first began his rule of Iraq, Saddam spoke of reviving ancient Babylon. And we all know what our Lord had to say about the abominations of that ancient kingdom!

Again, an excellent post!

The Merry Widow said...

Those who cover evil or applaud it are not on G*D's list of wondy people to spend Eternity in Heaven with!
Unless there is repentence...
If you are eating it without knowing it, you are guiltless, if you are told while you are eating, you have to have a value judgment ready, do I push it away and not eat, or do I continue and cause a weaker brother or sister to stumble. Or cause a non-believer to fall away from accepting the Truth?
Personally, a soul saved is more valuable than steak! I can get another at the store, but that may be the last chance to reach someone for Christ!

tmw

Elmer's Brother said...

do I continue and cause a weaker brother or sister to stumble. Or cause a non-believer to fall away from accepting the Truth?

1 Corinthians
Chapter 8
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1 2 Now in regard to meat sacrificed to idols: we realize that "all of us have knowledge"; knowledge inflates with pride, but love builds up.
2
If anyone supposes he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know.
3
But if one loves God, one is known by him.
4
So about the eating of meat sacrificed to idols: we know that "there is no idol in the world," and that "there is no God but one."
5
Indeed, even though there are so-called gods in heaven and on earth (there are, to be sure, many "gods" and many "lords"),
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3 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and through whom we exist.
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But not all have this knowledge. There are some who have been so used to idolatry up until now that, when they eat meat sacrificed to idols, their conscience, which is weak, is defiled.
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4 Now food will not bring us closer to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, nor are we better off if we do.
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But make sure that this liberty of yours in no way becomes a stumbling block to the weak.
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If someone sees you, with your knowledge, reclining at table in the temple of an idol, may not his conscience too, weak as it is, be "built up" to eat the meat sacrificed to idols?
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Thus through your knowledge, the weak person is brought to destruction, the brother for whom Christ died.
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When you sin in this way against your brothers and wound their consciences, weak as they are, you are sinning against Christ.
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5 Therefore, if food causes my brother to sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I may not cause my brother to sin.

Not causing anyone to stumble will be the deciding factor for me.

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beakerkin said...

Hold on a second cutting the throatis the way Kosher meat is killed. This is certainly more humane than hitting racoons with a Chevy or blasing a possum at 60 yards off a porch. This is no worse than severing a fish's head or boiling a Lobster.

I do want to point out I do not eat road kill. However, there is a very poor group that blast away small animals to survive. These same people do not fish for sport either. The rural poor are hidden.

The Merry Widow said...

Yes it is, but isn't the animal rendered insensible to the bleeding out? That was my secondary point.
As for fishing for food, or hunting, my family and I and my late have been there! And I do not speak against it, but I do speak about cruelty and sacrifice which is what halal meat is about. Though it is said to be religious, it is, but the religion is based on sacrifice to a moon god. That was the point!

tmw

beakerkin said...

TMW

The rural poor are a shame before god. They toil in annonymity and make ends meet through the sweat of their brow.
They do not eat small animals by choice
but they get by. Many also have to heat their homes with firewood.

These rural poor represent our dignity
and independence. They are timeless but as I have said before lets go out to eat on me.

The Merry Widow said...

Beaker- You will NEVER find me disrespecting the honest, honorable poor. They maybe poor in the world's eyes, but they maybe richer than most in the Eyes of G*D!
Honor and integrity are of greater worth than "things", virtue is more valuable than gems!
I would rather have a family of honest poor living next to me than a wealthy twit who has no integrity!
And anyone who tries to curb the ability of the rural poor to feed their families will find that I am no friend!
Where we going?
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!

tmw

nanc said...

if you do go out to eat on him - stay out of the way! perhaps another table at the other side of the room!

mornin'!

p.s. watch the meatballs...eeek...

The Merry Widow said...

Nanc-I'll have a steak, medium rare, no potato and a large green salad, house ranch, and something chocolate for dessert. Hope Beaker enjoys the buffet!
Meatballs? Eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!

tmw
About to shoot you an e-mail about property!

nanc said...

wonder if he's still eating at kfc?

The Merry Widow said...

I didn't mention KFC, though Popeyes is still okay! Too southern to adulterate their chicken?

tmw
And booger king eas a big favorite with my 2!

The Merry Widow said...

That's was, eas...der!

tmw

nanc said...

we have also loved the fare at burger king...the best fries...

no more - nyet - non!

The Merry Widow said...

Welllllllll , we have; Taco Bell. Dominos, and Bizzarro's pizza. Hmmmmmmmm,

tmw

Brooke said...

Hey, I got a reply to my email, and unsurprisingly, it was a typical form dismissal.

Here is my letter:

To Whom It May Concern:

Let me preface this by saying that in no way am I opposed to the consumption of meat, a member of PeTA or any other animal rights organization.

That said, I am truly disturbed by McDonalds decision to offer halal meat in the UK and Melbourne. 

Halal slaughter is excessively cruel, with the animal having its throat cut while still alive and fully conscious. 

This is without a doubt inhumane.

I understand McDonalds desire to appeal to those who make alternative lifestyle and religious choices, but would like you to reconsider the use of halal meat.

Thank you for your consideration.

And here's McD's response:
Hello Brooke:

Thank you for taking the time to contact McDonald's to share your opinions with us regarding the welfare of animals. We appreciate the opportunity to direct you to an area within our web site that contains more information regarding this issue.

First, we want you to know that at McDonald's we care about the welfare of animals. We recognize that our responsibility as a purchaser of food includes working with our suppliers to ensure good animal handling practices.

If you visit our web site (www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/info/welfare/welfare.html), you will find more information about our relationships with our suppliers, our animal welfare programs, and our work with experts in the field of livestock handling and behavior. Lastly, for additional information on this subject, through our web site, you may want to link to the sites of the American Meat Institute Animal Welfare Kit, www.grandin.com, and the press release from the American Meat Institute Foundation.

Again, thank you for contacting McDonald's. We appreciate this opportunity to share this information with you.

Tina
McDonald's Customer Response Center

ref#:4136900

Unsurprisingly, the first link does not work, and the second link does not appropriately address the pain felt by the animal during halal slaughter.

Debbie said...

Very interesting, McDonalds does not even mention halal in their response. Typical.

Debbie said...

Typical, McDonalds doesn't even mention halal meat.

The Merry Widow said...

Brooke-Rolling of eyes! In otherwords, go suck an egg!
Well, I'm not dhimmi-witted enough to find their brushoffs acceptable, they will just have to do without my money. That they will understand!

tmw

The Merry Widow said...

Debbie-You want to use that comment of Brooke's to show how corporate "America" cough,cough, deals with concerns of their American customers?

tmw

nanc said...

way to pass the halal buck, eh, brooke?

Brooke said...

No kidding! I re-emailed them explaining (and linking to a neutral .org) that of course the animal cannot make sounds of distress when the trachea and esophagus are also slit in the course of halal slaughter. Duh!

I couldn't find a site stating that kosher slaughter is postmortem, rather, that strict kosher demands live slaughter followed by hanging or salting, or I would've included it.

Any info on this, TMW? I'm want to be ready for round three, if they respond.

The Merry Widow said...

Brooke-Maybe I should have Madz orBeaker address that issue, all I have right now is what Layla of The Hill Chronicles posted,
http://thehillchronicles.com/
It's the Jan. 12th post.
Lots of luck!

tmw

nanc said...

google:

mcdonald's and halal

there are over 80,000 hits!

nanc said...

over 70,000 for burger king!

nanc said...

over 70,000 for burger king!

nanc said...

i'm tempted to open a little bbq pork place that states emphatically over the door:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE PORK - YOU'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE - WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYBODY!

nanc said...

please forgive me my kosher and vegan friends...of course i'll have veggie fare also.

benning said...

Excellent points made!

Brooke said...

LOL! Even if McD's offers halal meat, wouldn't there be cross-contamination from the breakfast bacon and sausage on the grill?

The Merry Widow said...

Brooke-Heheheheheheh!

tmw

Debbie said...

Here's a great follow up today, 3/14/07 on the Halal meats, seems Muslim Target employees don't want to touch pork products at the check out counter.

http://thehillchronicles.com/2007/03/14/culture-wars-target-vs-halal-meat/